Impatient Mode (transfer from card reader)

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Re: Impatient Mode (transfer from card reader)

Postby MikeV on Thu Oct 06, 2011 6:32 am

AlanD wrote:Also need a way to switch WiFi OFF to save the battery when not needed.


Some newer cameras that have added support specifically for Eye-Fi cards have the ability to enable/disable Eye-Fi upload.

If the card is not able to connect to any of its known networks, and Eye-Fi Direct doesn't receive a connection (assuming you haven't told it to wait forever for a connection), the card will turn off its wireless radio after a minute or two (or however long your Eye-Fi Direct wait time is). It will turn back on the next time the card is powered up to try connecting again.
My cameras: Nikon D90, Panasonic ZS7
My Eye-Fi: 8GB Pro X2
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Re: Impatient Mode (transfer from card reader)

Postby gessel on Tue Nov 01, 2011 5:17 am

My only serious complaint about the eye-fi cards is that they do not support the fastest available connection. If I bother to take the card out of my camera and stick it in my laptop it is just inexplicably stupid that it doesn't take advantage of the 312MB (BYTE, not bit) per second transfer rate of the SDHC UHS-II interface. There is a 2.5Gb/sec interface on the card and it insists on forcing image data on a death march out the wifi interface to the router then back as if the goal is some Darwinian selection of the fittest bits, only the few that actually make the arduous trek are worthy of extracting from the camera.

If I go out for a day to some photogenic or videogenic event it can take 3 fully charged batteries to fully transfer the data off the camera (photos and videos that take less than one battery charge to capture!), which is the fastest technique but ultimately ends up adding meaningful incremental cost per transferred bit as batteries have finite lives and are not cheap (($50/battery) / (500 charges/battery) = $0.10 per charge, 3charges/transfer = $0.30 cost of transfer per busy day of photography).

The official recommended work around for that untenable situation is to pop the card out and stick it in my laptop. Great - the card is now line powered, but as laptops are RF shielded to reduce noise, the transfer rate is miserable in the laptop and while the wee "I think I can" wifi radio in the card actually manages to connect, the images are not downloaded even overnight. So the next day, half way cleared, you're back to burning battery cycles to prepare for the next day's photo fun.

The wifi connection works great for a few photographs, or shooting around the house or office with the card on the wireless LAN; that's a great convenience and worth money. I love the geotagging feature, it is also worth the price of admission to get geotagging in a camera that doesn't have built-in GPS. I was amazed that it fairly accurate tagged photos in places where the wifi really shouldn't be mapped, like on VBC. I love the flexible file transfer and directory naming options. I really want to transfer my images through Eye-Fi Center to get all those features. I HATE that I have to spend days waiting for the transfers to complete over a the few Mb/sec of residual data that makes it through the RF shielding of my laptop while the card ignores the 2.5Gb/sec interface microinches from it's stupid face.

And this lack definitely hurts sales, at least from my recommendations. I have many friends who've dropped money on nice 4/3rds cameras or have good SLRs and ask me about the eye fi card, and while I extol the Geotagging, I get to the point about the card being defiantly ignorant of UHS-II interface for data transfer and they lose interest. There are plenty of times that I give up myself and use a non-wifi card for the lower power consumption and use exif-sorter and geosetter to achieve the same goodness Eye-Fi Center provides while taking advantage of what is frequently genuinely 1000x better transfer rate through the SD card interface.

Fix this one stupid feature failure and the card will go from a "cool and clever, maybe worth the money" lark to "this is the card you must have with your camera."


(Also, I'd really like it if the camera stored the raw WiFi information used to geotag permanently with the pictures - that is record all MACs, SSIDs, and relatively signal strengths in the IPTC comments section.)
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Re: Impatient Mode (transfer from card reader)

Postby frozentoes on Sat Nov 19, 2011 1:21 pm

+ Another
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Re: Impatient Mode (transfer from card reader)

Postby rpavich on Sat Dec 03, 2011 9:26 am

Ok...NOW I understand why I'd want this "impatient" mode....

I just got back from shooting about 100 RAW pictures at a Christmas parade and I've been up loading directly from the SD card reader in my laptop for about 1.5 hours and I'm not finished yet!

Not a good thing...this is pathetic.


As the poster above said...Eye Fi works great for smaller Jpeg's and for just a few pictures...but if you have a LOT of LARGE pics? I'm using a regular SD card for that...I'm not going through this torture again.
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Re: Impatient Mode (transfer from card reader)

Postby sadaniel on Sat Dec 17, 2011 5:38 pm

+1

Like how everyone else is saying, I just can't sit back and wait for 500+ of high quality (large) photos of my brother's wedding to be uploaded wirelessly. It's just painful to see the card is working hard to transfer all of them to my computer.

I just want to connect the card to the card reader and transfer the files via USB. I know this can be done manually but I want the Eye-Fi Center to do it because I want the software to monitor my transfers and sort them accordingly.

Basically, consumers can choose whether to transfer the photos wirelessly while the card is in the camera or automatically sets to USB transfer mode while attached to the computer.
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Re: Impatient Mode (transfer from card reader)

Postby yusuf on Wed Dec 28, 2011 9:36 pm

+ Another

I have over 100 pictures from Christmas and will probably have another 100 over New Years. Transferring them over wifi is like watching a dripping tap fill a bucket one drop at a time.
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Re: Impatient Mode (transfer from card reader)

Postby michaelk on Sun Jan 01, 2012 8:45 pm

hundreds of pictures over the holidays is painfully slow when i get back home...
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Re: Impatient Mode (transfer from card reader)

Postby MikesTooLz on Mon Jan 02, 2012 1:42 am

the slowness could also be due to all of us Eye-Fi users taking a ton of holiday photo's and uploading at the same time. All of our photo's must flow through the eye-fi servers, I'm hoping it gets better because right now its horribly slow and my internet connection is blazing fast.
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Re: Impatient Mode (transfer from card reader)

Postby michaelk on Mon Jan 02, 2012 6:29 pm

MikesTooLz wrote:the slowness could also be due to all of us Eye-Fi users taking a ton of holiday photo's and uploading at the same time. All of our photo's must flow through the eye-fi servers, I'm hoping it gets better because right now its horribly slow and my internet connection is blazing fast.



If your PC is on the same network as the eyefi card then the pictures go from your card to your PC and then on to the eyefi servers. Even the first step via wifi is a pain with hundreds of pictures. Impatient mode would fix that.
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Re: Impatient Mode (transfer from card reader)

Postby golot7 on Fri Feb 24, 2012 7:29 pm

A MUST HAVE!!!

PLEEEEEEEASE MAKE IT POSSIBLE!
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Re: Impatient Mode (transfer from card reader)

Postby lucidinscriber on Fri Mar 02, 2012 1:46 am

+1 for this idea
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Re: Impatient Mode (transfer from card reader)

Postby blue4ce on Sun Mar 11, 2012 5:26 am

+1 for this.

I shot nearly 6GB of pics. Came home, and had to wait for hours for the upload to complete.

At home, my laptop is on a dock, and has a 100MBps wired internet connectivity. I would have preferred if I could pop the card into this laptop, and use the Faaassst wired connection.
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Re: Impatient Mode (transfer from card reader)

Postby jcricket on Sun Jul 01, 2012 5:35 am

+1 for Impatient mode, I'm definitely in favor for this!
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Re: Impatient Mode (transfer from card reader)

Postby saltedlolly on Mon Jul 02, 2012 12:06 pm

I second this.

I'll be honest, my primary reason for buying the Eye-Fi Pro X2 was for the GeoTagging. Wifi transfers were an added bonus, which while appealing, have so far provided more hindrances than benefits. Since my iPhone can now geotag effortlessly it seems crazy that my expensive DSLR can't - I hoped EyeFi could fix this!

I use the card in my Canon 60D and shoot mostly in RAW. Transferring the images to my laptop over wifi has proved to be a nightmare - the connection constantly breaks while transferring the images (even on a good wifi connection), a transfer of 50 or so photos could take several days to complete, and because of the transfer unpredictability, I never know for sure when all images have finished transferring. While I accept that this issue is exacerbated by the large file sizes - around 25Mb per image in RAW - this device is marketed as being capable of coping with RAW files when, in reality, it does but only barely.

I propose several fixes to help this:

1. Enable Impatient Mode as discussed that also Geo Tags as it goes. It should be possible to transfer via USB AND GeoTag at the same time! This is a no brainer. Anyone who uses the device for RAW discovers pretty fast this glaring ommission.

2. For WiFi transfers, give the user some indication of how many images are left to transfer in the transfer window. Showing the progress of each image is not useful. We need to know the total number remaining to know when they have finished transfering. With large files and lots of them you have no idea how long you need to wait.

3. Improve the robustness of WiFi transfers. Even on a strong wifi connection my images often stop halfway through and move on to another image. Apart from the issue of not knowing if it will eventually go back and retry the failed one, it is also seems strange that it is suddenly failing when the wifi connection has not dropped?!

These next two points are asides to the fixes but I wanted to mention them anyway!

4. Please can you provide some documentation on using Eye.Fi with Lightroom. i.e. A suggested workflow on how to get our photos from our EyeFi card into Lightroom, with all geolocation metadata included, in as few steps as possible! I have hunted everywhere for some advice on this but cannot find any good information.

5. In a future card could you also include a bluetooth chip that could connect to the phone to find the GPS coordinates as you are shooting? The Eyifi app on the iPhone could connect to the EyFi card via Bluetooth and tag the GPS position to the photo as you take them? Would this be doable?

I welcome peoples thoughts on this.
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Re: Impatient Mode (transfer from card reader)

Postby markrus on Mon Sep 10, 2012 10:59 am

I also would like to see direct transfer from the card via USB implemented for many of the same reasons listed above, but also because my last eye-fi card basically killed itself from overheating during data transfer of a lot of photos. Using USB transfer should extend the lifetime of the card, since most of the heat is generated by the wireless connection.

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Re: Impatient Mode (transfer from card reader)

Postby fluffy on Sun Sep 23, 2012 9:01 am

I registered on this forum specifically to voice my support for this feature. It's really annoying that there's no way to quickly transfer my images AND get geotagging - and in my experience, if I try to transfer my images directly things get screwy anyway. It seems like the card doesn't like iPhoto manually importing photos off the card while it's also trying to wirelessly send them.
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Re: Impatient Mode (transfer from card reader)

Postby dean_butler on Thu Oct 18, 2012 3:59 am

Yes please sort this out. I just purchased this card and the only reason was for the Geotagging feature. I cant belive how slow it is at importing and how it chucks single photos everywhere in iPhoto. Please make it so you can import into iPhoto and Aperture via USB and get the geotag data.
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Re: Impatient Mode (transfer from card reader)

Postby greenmozart on Thu Nov 01, 2012 8:11 pm

I just purchased a 16GB X2 Pro card and am thinking of returning it for the lack of a local file transfer option through Eye-Fi Center. My intended use is to record long videos and having to wait countless hours to upload when I have a perfectly good and fast USB connection is ridiculous.

Can someone from Eye-Fi please respond to this thread to give us some idea if this is even being considered? You stand to lose customers for what is otherwise a great product with a lot of useful features.
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Re: Impatient Mode (transfer from card reader)

Postby kbeezie on Mon Nov 05, 2012 11:20 am

Since I shoot Raw+Jpeg I would be highly in favor of direct transfer via the USB reader, AND I would like it to geo-tag the images as they're transferred to the computer as it turns out that geo-tagging is ONLY applied to images transferred wirelessly, the images on the card themselves do not get geo-tagged at all.
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Re: Impatient Mode (transfer from card reader)

Postby kbeezie on Mon Nov 05, 2012 11:22 am

greenmozart wrote:I just purchased a 16GB X2 Pro card and am thinking of returning it for the lack of a local file transfer option through Eye-Fi Center. My intended use is to record long videos and having to wait countless hours to upload when I have a perfectly good and fast USB connection is ridiculous.

Can someone from Eye-Fi please respond to this thread to give us some idea if this is even being considered? You stand to lose customers for what is otherwise a great product with a lot of useful features.



Well you could just drag-n-drop the videos from the SD Card itself in the reader. I'm more concerned with stuff like geo-tagging not being applied if you do a direct drag and drop (since the geo-tagging info is in a proprietary database and does not get applied to the files as they are on the card).
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Re: Impatient Mode (transfer from card reader)

Postby yellowcandle on Sat Jan 12, 2013 8:58 am

I have to put a +1 here.
After shooting a whole day in an neighbouring city, I still have to wait for the pics to transfer back to my computer via wifi.
Please let us transfer the pics to the computer using a card reader, geotag them using eyefi center, then let us export them to other image processing software.

Edit: It had been over an hour for me to wait for the pics to transfer. If I were using a card reader, I would had finished most of my image processing by now...
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Re: Impatient Mode (transfer from card reader)

Postby fons on Wed Jan 23, 2013 6:55 pm

+1
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